Wednesday, February 6, 2008

A WARMBLOOD IS to answer a question.....


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NOT JESSIE JONES A PREGNANT (VERY) QUARTER HORSE) BY A COLT BY CHILLA SEENEY'S FABULOUS JESSIE JAMES



A Warmblood is a horse not carrying any of the hot blooded lines eg Arabians are the ancestors of the hot blooded horses, TB's etc ...The warmbloods were classed as the draught horses and war horses, heavy to carry the armour...in history. The continental horses used in Olympic competition largely from Germany developed in relative modern times are classed as a Warmblood with sub categories under that heading...I am very ignorant to the specifices of the breed but are superb jumpers and dressage exponents. The Australian and New Zealanders were I guess the only olympic 3 Day Event riders to use nearly all Thoroughbred horses in the Olympic arena and were getting seriously good. The horses used by NZ's and Aussies being thoroughbreds were very fast over the courses but.....the time factor is not such a consideration I believe...the rules have changed either to bring the TB's back to the field or because of the societies in the areas of cruelty to animals had concerns about the distances and speeds required from eventing horses. This is a laymans take on the situation. The warmbloods have a very flexible hock which allows them to swing their back more readily than the Thoroughbred which enables them to perform the gymnastic requirements of dressage. Dressage is the basics of the manouvers taught the war horses to duck and dive the sword and lance thrusts in war. The three day event also has its origins in military requirements.




The two ponies are full siblings, Champagne and Legally Blonde. The big grey mare is the Warmblood with three quarters of her breeding German the remaining quarter is thoroughbred. She is 17.1 hands high which is quite tall. Barbara is the rider of the grey mare and the legs belong to her instructor a German woman who had a bad accident and now lives in Australia and limits herself to instruction which she is a very competent component of...The mare has been stuck at my place since EI and will take her to her owner, Barbara, at Coffs Harbour as soon as am allowed with the two state Primary Industry protocols for travelling eased.



You can see from this picture all the weight on the front leg for the instant. This horse I bred by a Star Kingdom stallion King Star out of an Emperor's Leaf mare, three crosses of Heroic, which made for a good racehorse but an impossible stallion!!!

16 Comments:

Blogger Rudy's Blog said...

Hi Elizabeth,

Thank you so much for that explanation. I'm not sure why you would remove the post as it is a very interesting read.

It has always amazed me how fragile the legs of a thoroughbred are based on the number that do break a leg. Maybe it's because I don't follow the cross country three day events where the horses are asked to push their legs to the limit with some of the jumps that they do but they don't seem to get the number of injuries that the thoroughbreds do.

Maybe it's because I see the thoroughbreds race every week end and only see the 3 day events during the Olympics. In your experience do the 3 day event horses also break their legs as often as the thoroughbreds?

Cheers

Rudy

February 7, 2008 at 8:44 AM  
Blogger Lizzie's Insomnia said...

Hi Rudy,
I have not looked at the statistics lately but the galloping thoroughbred at full stretch has the most pressure on his legs. The racehorse would sustain the most injuries, a lot to do with the TB's "guts" as well. A full gallop is four beat which means every leg carries the full weight of the animal. Think about the stretch and angles of the fetlock and knees particularly rounding the bends with momentarily the front leg at an impossible stretch bearing the horses full weight then take the variables of a divot out, a bump, and the corner. If you do the sums angles and speed with a physics formula the weight bearing capacity of the front legs is impossible. 90%+ of all down time with the racehorse is involved in the area from the knee to the bottom of the hoof....The TB horse is all heart and soul, poetry in motion. To me it was art with the magnificent pampered animal muscles rippling, skin gleaming, fire in his eye the colour of the silks and the green of the grass..what a picture of living art. Riding gallopers in track gallops is a huge rush and most of these animals if allowed and nutured and galloped pain free just revel in the gallop as does the rider....I know am waxing lyrical ...they are the lamborghinis ha ha Kind regards, Elizabeth

February 7, 2008 at 9:31 PM  
Blogger Rudy's Blog said...

Hi Elizabeth,

You may be waxing lyrical but I just love it because you have a wonderful way of painting a picture that captures all of the elements of the colours, feelings and energy of that thing about thoroughbred racehorses that excite us devotees to the core.

Regarding your comments about the powerful forces at play on a race thoroughbred's legs it all sounds so true. I guess that it always amazes when I see a 3 day event where the horses jump over such difficult fences onto uncertain ground and often water obstacles that one would think would create many opportunities for a horse to break a leg and yet it doesn't seem to happen in the few events that I have witnessed.

Cheers

Rudy

February 8, 2008 at 12:45 PM  
Blogger whiteangel said...

Hello Elizabeth,
I am learning more about horses from you and I do find it very interesting what you write. They are certainly beautiful creatures. Oh yes I used to ride my pony everyday for several years when I was first married and lived on a farm in the country. Unfortunately there was a storm one day and the next day the mare bolted on me, so my father in law said, 'no more riding, young lady'. If I had fallen off a pony/horse it would not have been noticed by anyone until night time when family came home. So chances were not to be taken after that with me:) So I was told!
Take care,
Margaret

February 8, 2008 at 9:53 PM  
Blogger Lizzie's Insomnia said...

Evening Margaret,
The worst most dangerous antic that can occur on horseback is a "bolt". Your father-in-law was wise to a point. He could have perhaps ensured that some one knew where you were if you in fact enjoyed riding the pony or he regarded you as too precious to be placed at any risk. At any given moment no one knew where I would be or seemed to notice. Dad was "gung-ho" and my mother was too concerned what he, dad, was doing mostly to the exclusion of all else and of course a self fulfilled prophesy he was usually up to no good!!. Because of my socio economic situation when growing up riding the horse was my escape. Gave me a freedom and sense of self that opened up horizons and nothing seemed impossible. Margaret, some years ago I was told in all seriousness by a husband that a friend of his did not think she would like me to be at their little get togethers, "tennis club dinners" because "she would only know to talk about horses"....Not true but does stay with me a little and for some years did have a cringe factor regarding how I made my living. Heck I am into poor little me here. Not so as circumstances create experiences that would not have come my way under different situations. Yet even today I find it difficult coming to terms with human nature that can condemn for no good reason only that they can, when the opportunity presents itself...I think have been experiencing a bad day, to become so gloomy..the black dog...I will go and read a book usually does the trick. Through all that waffle the point I was badly trying to make is I am so pleased that you Rudy and Helen enjoyed the "horse" talk. Kind regards, Elizabeth

February 9, 2008 at 12:39 AM  
Blogger lil harry said...

Hello! what a fascinating subject. I love horses. Had nothing to do with them over my life time over than the token trek here and there..dying the next few days..LOL..

I seriously wouldn't worry about what others think..if you only talk 'horse'..ha..if only have of us were so knowledgable in any one such subject..I think you are great on all matters.I love the way you write/talk. everything is so interesting.

anyhow..enjoy your weekend..and they are great photos and beautiful horses.

My Uncle and cousins have been around horses all their lives. He (Ian Bruce)trains them my two of my cousins used to go o/s to compete in things..like barrel racing and such.

I used to want to live with them!!LOL

February 9, 2008 at 11:15 AM  
Blogger Rudy's Blog said...

Hi Elizabeth,

Yes there is no doubt about it, people can be very cruel in their judgement of others which is why Helen prefers animals and trees. I would suggest however that that woman's judgement about you showed more about her personality than yours.

I and most others use words to communicate. You on the other hand have that rare ability to actually paint word pictures. You have a beautful skill of communicating and telling stories that very few people possess.

As for being pooh-poohed for being interested in horses, Gai Waterhouse who trained a couple of horses that Helen and I had a share in shares a similar interest to you. She has not only become successful but is a lovely person to boot. I know people would say that it's just good business but Gai genuinely likes people and talks to anyone. She is one person who has not let fame go to her head.

Keep up the good work you do.....you are one of the world's 'special' people and many of us out in cyberspace appreciate what you do and say.

Cheers

Rudy

February 10, 2008 at 6:39 AM  
Blogger Lizzie's Insomnia said...

Afternoon lil harry,
Thanks for your positivite feedback...needed at the moment...work .....a pallative patient died this morning a hard death.....a relief for her am sad to say.....after a death I usually just turn inwards for a day or two, watch the birds....used to ride in the bush but with the EI have not gotten back to training the horses...at the moment am just gonna and then dont..... have not motivated myself to actually make a start....well have made a start have the shoes on one of the horses....I am glad you enjoy the hoss biz.....Kind regards, Elizabeth

February 10, 2008 at 9:11 PM  
Blogger Lizzie's Insomnia said...

Hello Rudy,
Thank you Rudy....Kind regards, Elizabeth

February 10, 2008 at 9:15 PM  
Blogger lil harry said...

Hello..must be very taxing when a patient passes away, even if it is a relief for them after a hard period. Hope your spirits are recharged and you are feeling good.

February 11, 2008 at 6:46 PM  
Blogger Lizzie's Insomnia said...

lil harry,
Thank you for asking...I do not usually voice my "dog days" and have strategies to deal. I do have access to a phycologist on staff with work related and private concerns which is a bonus. The phycologist will be in attendance tomorrow and is lecturing for three hours so should come out of there with a foggy mind ha ha. Am doing educational courses and is part of the content on behaviours and dealing with what have to,.... in the course of my work. See am not going to mention the word....Kind regards, Elizabeth

February 11, 2008 at 10:52 PM  
Blogger whiteangel said...

Hello Elizabeth,
There is nothing on this earth that is good as riding a pony with wind blowing through your hair, and yes it's freedom not a care in the world just you and the horse, for you are but one.
I am sure my late father in law would not have been forgiven by his son, my husband if anything had happened to me. There was no one around to look out for me for we lived on a small farm some distance from my in laws let alone neighbors.
Regarding you talking about horses, so what if you did or would, it doesn't matter. It was those peoples loss not to have you there and people can be so cruel at times. You talk about all kind of subjects very well, and I am sure you did back then too.
Because of your wonderful skills as I believe you have them with horses maybe these people were jealous of your natural ability.
Take care,
Margaret

February 12, 2008 at 12:04 AM  
Blogger Rudy's Blog said...

Hi Elizabeth,

Today I will be speaking at the funeral of a very dear friend of ours who died on Wednesday of cancer after all the usual terrible things that happen during the latter stages of that disease. She was a true 'lady' in every respect and to see what she had to go through especially over the last few days was very saddening indeed.

Why we are not allowed to have euthanasia in this wonderful country of ours is beyond me. There are so many times when it is blatantly obvious that a person isn't going to survive and it would spare them all of that terrible discomfort and embarrassment.

I can well understand why you have your 'dog' days. People like you who look after palliative care patients are pure 'angels' in my eyes.

Bless you


Rudy

February 12, 2008 at 8:55 AM  
Blogger Lizzie's Insomnia said...

Margaret,
Just reading your words to everyone including myself is uplifting. Your husband and his family must have cherished you. Kind regards, Elizabeth

February 14, 2008 at 7:39 PM  
Blogger Lizzie's Insomnia said...

Rudy,
Is certainly a hard thing to do sit and watch your friend pass away particularly with cancer. You being there is a bonus as most people can not face being around when their friend/ loved one are near the end with such an agressive disease as cancer. I should be more professional and not voice my bad days on the blogs..usually do not just go away for a little....Thank you for your kindness in my moments of weakness...is appreciated
Kind regards, Elizabeth

February 14, 2008 at 7:46 PM  
Blogger Rudy's Blog said...

Hi Elizabeth,

Whilst at Olive's funeral the other day the subject of horses came up (not from me) and one of the ladies there started talking about 'warmbloods'. How's that for a coicidence.....hehehehe

Cheers

Rudy

February 15, 2008 at 1:39 PM  

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